Who has got to David Cameron?
David Cameron has apologised on behalf of the Conservative Party for introducing Section 28, which of course banned the promotion of homosexuality in schools, made necessary by some Labour councils doing just that.
“The Tory leader’s latest remarks, during an appearance at a Gay Pride event, were attacked last night by traditionalists on the Right of his party.
“They pointed out that as recently as 2003, when Tony Blair axed the clause, Mr Cameron voted for a Tory amendment described by gay rights groups as ‘Section 28 by the back door’.
“Former party chairman Lord Tebbit said he suspected the apology had been driven by ‘focus group findings’.
“Mr Cameron insisted he was making his apology because the legislation had been ‘ offensive to gay people’.
‘I’m sorry for Section 28. We got it wrong. It was an emotional issue. We have got to move on and we have moved on,’ he said.
“He insisted that under his leadership the party was embracing gay rights and predicted it would produce Britain’s first gay Prime Minister.”
How would they fare in Afghanistan? How would the Taliban cope?
So if you think voting Tory will deliver a Conservative government, you’d better think again. All the mainstream parties are bought and paid for by the same globalists which is the reason they are all Gaia-worshipping, diversity-embracing, dangerous, treasonous embarrassments to our country.
I’ll just remind you of the possible dangers involved in promoting sexuality to children – Which Gay Teens Attempt Suicide?
Hi Stewart, it’s not hard to notice that you have three passions in life, fearing (the Christian) god, supporting creationism and hating homosexuality. Your quite welcome to the first, I have nothing against that, the second I have already commented on in another one of your posts, the third I have yet to probe.
I just want to understand why you dislike homosexuality so much? Is it just because the Bible says it’s a sin or have you got a real, moral argument against it?
Hello Oli,
I would describe these three passions as a) loving God, b) learning about Creation science and c) hating sin being dressed up as something good.
I dislike homosexuality so much because it is contrary to the wellbeing of society. I dislike those who peddle it and pity the children who believe the lie that it is acceptable behaviour.
Most people tend to know right from wrong and have a natural revulsion for things like sodomy. I wish the masses weren’t afraid to tell the truth.
Creation science? There’s a contradiction!
Exactly how is homosexuality “contrary to the wellbeing of society”?
Because a strong society depends upon the basic building blocks of that society, families, to be strong.
What we have seen happen due to the homosexual lobby, feminism, ‘family planning,’ sex ‘education’ and other devices is the annihilation of family life as we know it.
That’s one reason society is going downhill and we have a government that thinks it can walk all over us.
You are welcome to dislike homosexuality for all I care. So long as you don’t get a free hand to peddle your superstitious bigotry and force it on others, that’s fine by me.
Some people are gay, you can lead a happy, fulfilled life as a gay person, you should accept that and stop interfering, because all you do is promote hatred, guilt and shame. In fact, Stewart, I encourage young gay people at gay pride this coming saturday to make a special effort to go and visit your crackpot placard-waving loony friends, and give them the middle finger.
I am disgusted with the current situation where faith schools – which frankly should be wound up, the lot of them – can teach gay people to hate themselves by teaching that homosexuality is a “sin”. reading your post reminds me of the need to keep up the fight against ignorance and nonsense and bigotry.
Oh, I’m saying this out of Love of course, don’t take it personally. xxx
“Because a strong society depends upon the basic building blocks of that society, families, to be strong.”
I have a gay member in my family, someone I’m very close to in-fact, and my family is very close (strong if you want to call it that). I don’t see why having gay members weakens a family. Can you explain why you think my family is “weakened” by our gay relative?
Adrian – I know homosexuals don’t want to be reminded of their sins because it must heighten their sense of guilt and shame.
And don’t try to blame religious people – we just say what others are afraid to. Brian Souter’s referendum in Scotland showed that 6 out of 7 wanted to keep Section 28.
Homosexual acts have been taboo in every culture, nigh on.
Why? Because it weakens society, leads people astray, spreads disease, etc.
“I encourage young gay people at gay pride this coming saturday to make a special effort to go and visit your crackpot placard-waving loony friends, and give them the middle finger.”
I don’t know anyone who’s going. I’m not a member of any earthly church and I speak for myself.
What about you – you have no grace, decency or argument, so you “encourage young gay people at gay pride this coming saturday to make a special effort to go and visit your crackpot placard-waving loony friends, and give them the middle finger.”
Is that your definition of ‘pride’?
Clearly not taboo in English, Scottish, Dutch, Flemish, French, German, Spanish, Scandinavian, or New England culture, for instance. Taboo certainly wherever superstition, unreason, illiteracy and ignorance thrives.
I don’t read much into Brian Souter’s chequebook democracy and mass misinformation campaign. In any case, democracy should not be used to oppress minorities, which it is so easy to do in the case of LGBT people.
You are the one without a coherent argument. Gay people make just as valid and worthy a contribution to society as anyone else. And it’s time people like yourselves kept your noses out of other people’s private affairs. The fact you disapprove of someone else’s loving relationship is of no interest, and counts for nothing.
And surprisingly, the vast majority of gay people do not spread disease around.
I most certainly don’t feel ’shame’ or ‘guilt’ I can assure you; Only a slave could say such a thing. And I don’t need an argument to refute your claims which, in turn are built on no evidence.
The most important thing in life is love – finding the right partner in life. That’s as true for gay people as it is for straight people. And no one should be denied that, and certainly not made to feel guilt in that search. I don’t love my enemies – and those who want to deny people that chance are doing great damage. It’s high time gay people stood up and told such people, that it’s a pity there’s no such place as hell for them to go to.
Adrian:
These places have been socially engineered against the wishes of the people. Nothing to do with superstition, etc. In fact there is probably more illiteracy in the West than for a very long time.
Sure, he paid for it, but a million people took the opportunity to register their will and the vast majority wanted to keep the clause.
My argument is simple. Sin should not be tolerated. Once it gets a foothold, either in a person’s life or in society as a whole, then it becomes very difficult to reverse the situation.
I wish we were talking about “other people’s private affairs” but this affects all of us. It’s no longer two people over 21 in their bedroom, it’s everywhere.
How far would HIV have got if it wasn’t for illicit sexual intercourse of all kinds?
A lot of people who involve themselves with homosexuality do. What would be your thinking behind encouraging others to give religious people the ‘middle finger’.
Something’s going on inside you that’s not right.
I don’t accept that people must give in to temptation. Amazing things can happen – miracles if you will – when righteous desires enter in.
This attitude seems to be growing. No wonder old folk are afraid to leave home.
So you hate some people do you? After all these years of demanding respect and understanding, lobbying MPs to introduce ‘hate’ laws, you still harbour hate.
Am I your enemy? I hope not, because, hard as it may be for you to see it, I do care because I understand. Having lost at least ten years of my life to alcohol, I know all about temptation.
There will be a separation of the wheat and tares. Those who hate will be burned as stubble. That’s the biggest guarantee I can give you.
Please, please, please don’t believe Dawkins that “Death means the end. It’s like going into a general anaesthetic and never waking up.”
I agree with you Adrian. I don’t understand why loving someone of the same sex is shameful?!?! Nor do I understand how it weakens society!
Stewart, as far as I can tell, you haven’t given a single argument against homosexuality, you haven’t explained why it’s immoral or how it weakens society. It seems like you disagree with it simply because the Bible says it’s bad. If that’s the case, then I don’t think you have a leg to stand on, if not then please explain your non-biblical argument.
On Souter’s misinformation campaign – two-thirds of the recipients threw it away. So to say 86% wanted to keep Section 28 is meaningless. In any case, voting to deprive a minority of their rights is not democracy, cf JS Mill, ‘on liberty’.
‘Sin’ should not be tolerated? Well, there you have it: if you want to see what Fascism looks like, let Stewart Cowan take control for a year or two. ‘Sin’ is a meaningless concept. Two gay guys having sex affects no one. You attack people in their deepest integrity by denigrating loving relationships to ‘temptation’. I think it says more about you. Do you have any experience of being in love? Only an android could come out with such a ridiculous statement.
I don’t love my enemies – but I cannot see what ‘old folk’ have to do with this. Do unto others as they would do unto you – that’s the golden rule. People who aim to strip me of my rights are my enemies, and deserve contempt.
It’s immoral to love enemies – a stupid teaching. We didn’t do it on 9/11, thankfully. (How dare the mother of the murdered Jamie Mizen forgive his murderer? Murderers should face the full punishment under the law, not be absolved).
You understand absolutely nothing. But, I think I do understand: you wasted your chances, you were a social failure, an alcoholic, and you got a religious makeover. Instead of facing your responsibilities, you threw all your shortcomings on Jesus Christ. And it seems, because you failed in life, no-one else can succeed without Jesus. well, the vast majority of us want nothing to do with your religion, thanks. Keep it to yourself and don’t thrust it down anyone else’s throat.
The reason why you and your friends can expect the middle finger, is because people’s relationships and sex lives are none of your business. It’s as simple as that. You seem to think my private life is up for a debate. Well, it isn’t.
If a lot of people do feel shame and guilt because of who they are, then all the more reason for people like me and millions of others to show that being gay means you also can live a happy, worthwhile life, be accepted for who you are – by being more visible in public. Once the bigotry and prejudice disappears, so does the guilt and shame. If that annoys you, so much the better.
For sure, Stewart, you will never impose your morality on anyone else, as long as I am on this Earth.
If Mr. Souter’s poll is meaningless by this criterion then so are the Council and European elections.
What did Labour poll in the last G.E.? About a quarter of the electorate voted for them? Does this mean that all their social interfering laws are null and void?
I’m afraid you could use this argument to try and promote anything and anyway, the majority is having its rights slaughtered.
So Britain pre-about 1960 was a fascist state, was it?
Just themselves, re. unrepentant sin. And also, it’s not about two guys or two gals anymore, it’s grown into a highly organised and powerful industry that has changed society to the detriment of the majority.
Do you think likewise about adultery?
Well that’s what Christ taught, isn’t it? If you hate people then you’ll attract hatred back in your direction.
What a lot of people fail to grasp is that the Saviour taught us what is best and good for *us*. Do we want to be hated? So don’t hate in the first place or you will be and harbouring hatred hurts the hater a lot more than the hatee.
I feel so sorry for the parents of Jamie Bulger. For losing their son obviously, but even more so for the past 20 years of self-inflicted pain caused by their hatred.
A brief synopsis of my life? Not quite accurate. A failure? Certainly – but Christ saved me from a certain death that my drinking was leading to. He showed me Hell – that the punishment for unrepentant sinners is worse than you can picture. It’s the sort of experience that demands warning others.
I haven’t had a drink in over eleven years and now have a successful business that I started in 1998 with £400. Things happen for a reason. Like you reading this, perhaps.
“The vast majority..may want nothing to do” with Christ because they rather like living in their sins and don’t want to repent of them.
It’s not a happy state to be in – I know this, perhaps more than most.
And where will you be after your bodily death?
What’s the big deal with two people of the same sex having a sexual relationship? I just don’t get it! And why is being open about that relationship, after years of it being considered an offence to society, such a problem for you? I’ve asked you twice now, and you’ve ignored the question both times. **Please** explain why you consider homosexuality to be wrong.
You are one despicable Human Being, Stewart.
How can you seriously expect to gain respect from anyone if you label a particular group of people wrong because they offend your superstitious beliefs and “teachings”?
You belong in the Dark Ages, where you would have been free to spread your hatred and lies without being called into account for your actions.
Luckily, to spout such hatred and to discriminate based on sexual orientation is illegal in 21st Century UK.
Congratulations on breaking the law.
Stewart – good to admit that your mission is a witch hunt against gay people. People like you are the reason we have Pride events.
As your bigotry and nastiness shows, you can’t stand the fact that gay people are respected, included, accepted and valued by society, and left to get on and enjoy life. You’d better get used to it. If the Earth is too small a place for you, then live somewhere else, or better still, rapture yourself off, like David Koresh did in Waco.
Brian Souter is a very rich businessman, who pumped millions into misinforming Scottish houselolds, far more money than any gay organisation would be able to muster. Good to see that the vast majority of the population saw it for the unsolicited junkmail it was. He is unelected and represents no one apart from some crackpot evangelical sect.
And if you cannot see the difference between adultery and gay people honestly, expressing their love for each other we have nothing to discuss, because your moral compass is completely skewed. And yes, for gay people like Alan Turing, pre 1960s Britain was fascism.
You might also consider that, if things happen for a reason (actually, they don’t), maybe it could be like me ‘writing’, rather than ‘reading’ this?
Oli – you deserve an answer. It’s simple: it’s wrong. It is sinful for man to sleep with man as with a woman.
It is a problem for society because sin corrupts. Unless we repent of our sins they will keep growing and will be very hard to control.
Society is weakened by these notions of ‘alternative families’ and children are best brought up in a normal family.
There’s more to it of course, but that’s the basics.
Al – I’m sure that Satan and his angels consider me ‘despicable’ for warning people that unrepentant sins will cost them their souls.
We are living in the Dark Ages now. It’s so dark, in fact, that people are confused over every aspect of right and wrong. They have been conditioned to believe there is moral relativism. There’s no such thing.
I haven’t said anything hateful and believe it or not, expressing an opinion on the subject is still not illegal. Even if/when it does become a criminal offence to express unauthorised thoughts, I’ll still be here warning people about the consequences of sin. That’s love, not hate.
Thanks for the answer. Let me get this straight (excuse the pun). Homosexuality is wrong because it’s wrong? Is that really your answer? If so, then I urge you to think about this in more depth.
Please, try to see it from my perspective: Your opinion on the matter of whether homosexuality is immoral, is based solely on the reading of one, very very old, book of unknown authorship. For unknown reasons you believe that this book details the wishes of the “creator of the universe” and holds within it a moral code which, if followed, will provide you a ticket to a supernatural paradise after you die. One of the moral teachings in this book is that two people of the same sex must not have a loving relationship which is expressed through any sexual practice, however it fails to provide a single reason for this! Stewart, this is crazy! I can’t believe that you’re convinced by this, you have to start thinking things through for yourself!
I thought you would have a *real* argument, but your actual argument – “it’s wrong because it’s wrong” – is simply laughable.