Real men want manly churches

Ah, so here’s the reason for ‘equality’ in churches: to drive men away. Ruth Gledhill writes in The Times,

Real men don’t like going to church because they don’t want to “sing love songs to a man”, because the “vicar wears a dress”, because they feel like “mongrels on parade at Crufts” and because they want to be waited on by women rather than queue for coffee after the service.

It sounds like they asked some very strange men. Some churches here, like the local Gospel Hall and the Free Presbyterians, will have the ladies bring tea and biscuits to your seat after some services. In other churches, however, you have to fetch it yourself. Oh, what hardship!

Loving the Man who died for you is kind of the point of going, unless you just fancy sleeping through the sermon then having a cup of tea brought to you. Or not.

I don’t go to churches where men wear dresses, but I can see that this could be a problem with blokes who are unsure about themselves.

“Mongrels on parade at Crufts?” No, you’ve lost me there. In all the different churches I have visited, I have never been expected to run up and down a ramp then jump through a tyre. Not even in the Mormons.

A number of distinctly non-pc ways to get men back into church are among those being advocated by a charity, Christian Vision for Men, which has discovered that the Church has lost nearly half of its men aged under 30 because it has become too feminine.

The charity admits some of its ideas might not be seen as politically correct.

Good, you’ve got my interest.

But on a questionnaire on its website aimed at finding out why so many men have left church, they suggest a number of ways of making men want to return to church again.

These include redesigning the interiors of church buildings to make men feel more at home.

Instead of the usual flowers and statues of the Virgin Mary, they suggest, “How would it go down to decorate with swords, or pictures of knights, or flaming torches?”

Or nude calendars? Formula One cars? Wayne Rooney? Replicas of submachine guns?

The charity continues: “Maybe it’s not ‘politically correct’, but men quite like the attention of women! They also like to be waited on – so long as they are not made to feel guilty. Instead of having to queue for coffee, why not ask some of the women to go round with trays of coffee and biscuits or chocky bars? Coupled with a charming smile, many men would find that very attractive!”

Perhaps they could wear revealing clothes and blow in their ears?

Then there are the hymns, or modern worship songs, themselves.

Now, I agree with this. Some of the modern ‘hymns’ are horrible. There’s no fight in them. They’re as limp as a very limp lettuce leaf.

Quite apart from the sheer embarrassment of having to sing out loud when the tune might go too high or be in an unfamiliar key, the charity advises clergy just to look at the words.

“Jesus, I am so in love with you,” or “Beautiful one I love, beautiful one I adore,” – many men wouldn’t sing that to their wives, let alone another man, the charity advises.

It continues: “The image of church is ‘women and children’ – action songs or kid’s plays just emphasise this. The decoration is often very feminine – flowers, embroidered banners. The vicar often wears a dress… It can be embarrassing to be next to someone in uninhibited delight of worship, or in tears.”

Avoid them. Or say, ‘excuse me, I’m British and we don’t show our emotions in public in my country.’

Men don’t want to feel brainwashed by reciting words that they don’t believe: “The language can be offputting, even the word ‘love’ has undertones of the love of a man for his woman – they’d rather ‘admire’ or ‘respect’ another man. Think how they will respond if called to be Jesus’s lover, or to be ‘intimate’ with him. Don’t play into Satan’s hands by using language that he has corrupted.”

Let’s be honest. They don’t want to go to church, do they? These excuses are along the lines of ‘the dog ate my homework.’

Among the changes recommended by Christian Vision for Men, a member of the Evangelical Alliance, is to use the World Cup to boost falling congregations. The charity wants vicars to erect big screens above the pulpit during this summer’s World Cup in South Africa and even serve beer during games.

Carl Beech, General Director of the CVM and Baptist Minister, said: “The World Cup is when pretty much every bloke in the country bonds over a common goal.

“Why can that not be done in a church? The decline has been steady for a while but has accelerated over recent years.

So, you’ll get some lads coming in for the footie and a few tinnies, then they see the bloke in a dress and make a sharp U-turn.

“The problem has become male culture versus church culture. Too many sermons talk about Jesus’ love, compassion and grace which are great but not male concepts. Men want to know about his great decision making and leadership. That is what they recognise. Churches are very pastorally driven whereas blokes are looking for decisions not discussions. The breakdown in most churches is now 70 per cent women to 30 per cent men.”

More men than women go to the Free Presbyterian church I sometimes visit, but then, they haven’t sold their souls in order to be PC-compliant. And the ministers wear suits, not dresses. There isn’t even an ArmaLite or lump of Semtex on display. Or kick-boxing on the big screen.

And when did ‘love, compassion and grace’ cease being ‘male concepts’? Christ said, “Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”

Hardly a lily-livered effeminate concept. I wonder how many of these men who are afraid of a man in a dress and who want waited on hand and foot would lay down their lives for their friends.

Most of the apostles were also killed by various horrible means for their beliefs. Real Christianity requires real men. If your church is lily-livered then those are the only men you will attract.

The charity, which also recommends subjects as “pornography” are discussed in church men’s groups, has also launched two Christian-themed men’s magazines in a further bid to lock into male culture.

Bishop of Lewes Wallace Benn admitted there was a problem. “The relatively small number of men in our congregations is one of the pressing issues facing the church today.

Maybe get the vicar out of a dress and into a nice comfy pair of slacks?

“Within our Christian concern for all ages, both sexes and every ethnic group, we need to address reaching men with the good news of the Gospel as a key concern.”

The Church of England have tried to address the slump in the last five years by encouraging services to be held in alternative venues such as skate parks, coffee shops and pubs under their “Fresh Expressions” scheme.

A spokesman said: “It is of concern. We do know there appears to be a higher proportion of women to men in church.”

Right, this is what you do: drop the PC baloney and preach the gospel of repentance. Transform your church into a place where men will want to come to worship their Creator. Sing proper songs of worship that are full of passion. It’s not hard. Show some football if you like, but that in itself isn’t going to convince anybody to be a Christian when the rest of the setup is corrupt.

Oh, and get the vicar to a menswear shop. Pronto!

8 comments to Real men want manly churches

  • English Viking

    Hey Stewart,

    What, pray tell, is amiss at your local Gospel Hall?

    I’ll guarantee you one thing, you’ll not hear any PC gobsh*te there.

    If you do, it would be for one week only. The next week’s sermon would consist of why ‘brother so and so’ was sorry for his PC gobsh*te, and why he had repented of it, or else it would be an excommunication of ‘brother so and so’ for his gobsh*te.

    Believe me. I know. And I agree.

  • Stewart Cowan

    Your comment was held for moderation due to naughty words. This isn’t Old Holborn’s blog.

    Correct, there is no PC oral excrement with the Brethren. :-)

  • English Viking

    Hey Stewart,

    The attempt (not by you) to portray the male followers of the hardest man there ever was, The Christ, by the left wing, lilly livered, liberal marxist dross that run most of the so called Christian gatherings in the UK today is shallow and obvious, to all but those who will not read a decent Bible and will not listen to a decent preacher.

    Being a man (for a Christian), is about emulating Christ. Being prepared to say to authority (the Tax Office, the Police, the Government, the Teacher, the Social Worker, etc, etc) that they are WRONG. That you will not conform. That you will go out on your feet before you will kneel before them. Being prepared to say those whom we suppose to be beneath us ‘ God bless you’, ‘do you need anything?’, ‘can I help you?’

    Too many Churches (one is too many) teach that to be a good Christian, one must avoid conflict, one must submit, one must compromise.

    This is not Christianity. This is not following Christ. This is foolishness of the highest degree, that will be judged, by the One whom these people claim to serve.

  • English Viking

    Hey Stewart,

    I did not know that your filters were that sensitive, else I would not have spoken as I did.

    I am not in Old Holborn’s league. Perhaps you will forgive an uncouth man for his boisterousness?

  • English Viking

    Hey Stewart,

    Where I come from, the word which has offended you is not considered swearing, merely a mild insult. That you should find it offensive, well, for this, I apologise.

  • Stewart Cowan

    English,

    Your main posting was most excellent. Many churches have been taken over. The CofE has a druid in charge. You couldn’t make it up. Some of the modern Bibles also undermine the faith.

    The filter recognises the basic four-letter words and sends me an email saying, “a naughty person has left a comment”.

    The last bit’s not true. I get an email telling me there’s a comment to moderate.

  • Ashley

    Men need to stop trying to be ‘manly’ and start living in surrender to God. The security and love that He brings should be a motivation to love our wives, discipline our children and work diligently to build God’s kingdom. If our security is in Him then we will be as comfortable at the pub with the lads on a Saturday night as we will at the ballet with our wives on a Tuesday. Being a man of God is not about what you do, but who you serve. I happen to enjoy singing about how beautiful God is, because he is the most beautiful thing I could ever imagine, more beautiful than any woman, and my wife looks more beautiful when she is looking at Him. I am happy to cry tears if God so moves me, because he shed more than a few tears (and plenty of blood) for me. I understand that many men find it hard to breakthrough in worship that requires them to sing, dance, raise their hands etc, and I agree that warfare and other forms of worship (some of which will appeal more to men) are often overlooked in our churches, but David managed just fine with dancing and said he would one day become even more undignified. What women want, what the church needs and what will transform society is men who are chasing hard after God; men who treat their wives with respect and pray for their loved-ones; men who face their responsibilities and commitments without fear, but with courage and boldness that flows from an intimate relationship with God, the source of all power and strength. What God needs is men who know Him and are not ashamed to worship Him openly and lay their ’selves’ on the altar. I want to be such a man.

  • English Viking

    Ashley,

    ‘…and work diligently to build God’s kingdom. ‘

    The Kingdom of God is not of this world and therefore cannot be built here. John 18 v 36a KJV ‘My Kingdom is not of this world…’ The words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    ‘…Being a man of God is not about what you do’

    I’m afraid that it really is all about what you do. Exodus 35 v 1 KJV ‘And Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said unto them, These are the words which the LORD hath commanded, that ye should DO them.’ My emphasis.

    ‘And whatsoever ye DO in word or deed, DO all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.’ Colossians 3 v 17 My emphasis.

    You got a bit touchy-feely there for a second, but I’ve recovered now.

    As for the facing commitments and responsibilities, the courage and boldness, the not being ashamed to be openly associated with God, bravo sir, bravo.

    PS. Down the pub with the lads on a saturday night? Are you sure?

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