The future’s not bright

Thursday’s Alex Jones broadcast was amazing. There was so much vital information crammed in. Subrosa has blogged about the Piers Corbyn interview and she asks why people like him, who are far more accurate at predicting the weather than the Met Office, are not consulted more often by the BBC.

“Sobers” left this comment,

Am I not right in thinking that the BBC pension fund has investments in green technologies that would lose money if AGW were to be discredited?

They’re hardly going to push the claims of people who, if correct, would reduce the value of their pensions now are they?

I’m sure the main reason is that the State Broadcaster issues state propaganda, which nowadays heavily involves trying to make us believe in the CO2 scam. You can make your own mind up on the pensions. Here is the list of BBC Pensions’ top equity investments. Interestingly (or not?) two of the top six corporations, Royal Dutch Shell and Vodaphone, are “partners” (the new word for companies who give their customers’ money away to improve the public’s perception of them regarding the latest must-be-involved-in “causes”) in Forum for the Future.

Which brings me nicely to another topic on Alex’s show: Forum for the Future’s scenarios for sustainable living in the year 2040. You can watch the four videos here, but they paint similar pictures of a purportedly sustainable society, only made possible by tightly controlling and impoverishing the population. This one seems to have captured nearly all the attention: Planned-opolis…

This video was made with taxpayers’ money as well as corporate funding – one of the foundation corporate partners being Vodaphone. I wonder what it is about a future dystopia which so attracts telecommunications corporations. Those brave eco-warriors at 10:10 get O2’s money. Their other three major sponsors, Eaga, Kyocera and Sony, have all distanced themselves from the group after their “No PressureSplatter-gate video nasty was released in the Autumn.

O2 are still keen. Maybe because when our cities become prison grids, we’ll need to use their services more, as the videos suggest. For example, when only the rich have cars and there is little or no public transport, we’ll be meeting virtually and schoolchildren will stay at home and be taught via the internet.

It would be easy to brush this animation off as just a scenario and not to be taken too seriously, but as I wrote about a few weeks ago when highlighting the Optimum Population Trust’s campaign for a huge reduction in the UK’s population, Forum for the Future offers students the chance to turn their environmental dreams into our common nightmare,

Since 1996 our Masters in Leadership for Sustainable Development has been training the sustainability leaders of the future. Last year we celebrated the graduation of our 165th student, and many graduates are already making their mark as think-tank directors and government advisers.

Anyone who has studied the area of think-tanks and government advisory bodies soon realises that these tiny cabals making their plans in private have far more sway over government policy than public opinion and even backbench MPs’ wishes.

Green Nazis

Different colour, same idea

Paul Joseph Watson writes about the coming tyranny.

People who resist the state controlling every aspect of their existence will be forced to live in squalid ghettos while the rest of the population will be tightly controlled in high-tech prison cities – that’s the future envisaged by eco-fascists who are exploiting the contrived global warming fraud to openly flaunt their plan for the total enslavement of mankind.

The threat posed by the kind of scenario being promoted by Forum for the Future, the group responsible for the chilling video below, cannot be emphasized enough. The dictatorial hellhole of 2040, where cars will be banned, meat rationed, farming completely abolished and overtaken by the state, behavior catalogued on “calorie cards,” and careers ordained by the government, is the ultimate goal of the control freaks who have seized the reigns of the environmental movement.

Nearly every aspect of the policies undertaken by the global dictatorship that runs the “planned-opolis” depicted in the video are lifted wholesale from historical tyrannies.

– The state completely taking over the means of food production and farming. This is a throwback to the Soviet system of collectivized farming, where Stalin organized land and labor into large-scale collective farms. Farmers who resisted the state taking over their farms were arrested and sent to Siberian gulags. As a result of the mass seizure of property and the disruption that collective farming brought to food production, upwards of 3 million people died from starvation from 1932-33 alone. A similar system imposed in Maoist China under the “Great Leap Forward” led to the Great Chinese Famine and the starvation of at least 36 million people.

You can read the rest here.

It is all about our enslavement: thousands of new laws; the climate change scam; the gun ban; the smoking ban; the dumbing down; the promotion of promiscuity; political correctness.

Like those videos show, though, the elite will be exempt from the trouble of being impoverished and imprisoned in cities. Al Gore has done very well out of the climate scam. Very well indeed.

In Planned-opolis, you can have meat on your birthday, if you can afford it, otherwise “pea and potato pie” is about the best you can hope for.

Unless you’re Al Gore.

But I don’t intend to live in Planned-opolis either, even if I am still around.

I am weighing up my options. How do you intend to avoid it (and the only alternative offered: the ghetto)?

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55 Responses to The future’s not bright

  1. len says:

    When mankind decided he didn`t need God and decided to set up a Godless Kingdom God gave him thousands of years to do so.Each attempt man tried has ended in failure.We are now living in the last attempt before God steps in(probably to stop us destroying ourselves and the Planet!.)
    Things will inevitably get worse because fallen man is driven by forces he doesn`t understand and cannot control.
    The only hope for Humanity is the redemption offered to Humanity by God through Jesus Christ.
    The only good point(for Christians)is the worse things get the nearer we are to the second coming of Jesus Christ.

  2. Stewart Cowan says:

    Len,

    We are now living in the last attempt before God steps in…

    I believe this also.

    Do you intend to try and live with the coming living conditions (presuming the OPT don’t ask for you to be bumped off)?

  3. English Viking says:

    Was this vid intended to wind me up, to seal my hatred of ‘Green’ issues in stone?

    Some will go quietly.

    I will not be one of them.

  4. Stewart Cowan says:

    English,

    I don’t think it was made to wind you up, but rather to convince you that you’ll get along fine – more or less – if you hand over all your freedom to the government.

    I hope I’m wrong, but I think most will go quietly. This post has been picked up by the British Centre for Science Education and ridiculed. They must be following me because I’m a Creationist and they “have become deeply worried about attacks on science education, particularly from creationists funded from the USA, and our campaign is dedicated to keeping all forms of creationism including Intelligent Design out of the science classroom in the UK.”

    They are so cool and mega-intelligent, they can’t see the problems we are facing.

  5. Bill says:

    Blimey. Common Purpose now have some competition!

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  7. Mike Wazowski says:

    “The only good point(for Christians)is the worse things get the nearer we are to the second coming of Jesus Christ.”

    How many other Christians have believed this particular fairy tale in the last 2,000 years but were proven wrong with the non-appearance of JC? Millions?

    Yes, Len, but I’m sure you are right on this… only a matter of time…

  8. len says:

    Mike Wazowski, The sure guide we have for the return of Jesus Christ is Biblical Prophesy.I don`t pretend to be an expert on this but the present time seems to be the only time during the last 2,000 yrs that the return of Jesus Christ was feasible.
    The Key feature of Prophesy must be the re establishment of Israel as a Nation.This set the clock ticking so to speak.

    Stewart,I am not sure who the OPT are but they don`t sound very friendly!.I feel time is short and the most important thing is the truth of the Gospel goes out.

  9. Mike Wazowski says:

    “The sure guide we have for the return of Jesus Christ is Biblical Prophesy. The Key feature of Prophesy must be the re establishment of Israel as a Nation.This set the clock ticking so to speak.”

    What biblical “prophesy” do you refer to?? Where does it mention the “re establishment of Israel as a Nation”??

    Or do you mean this?

    “I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” – Matthew 24:34

    The modern State of Israel was declared in 1948, more that a generation has now passed… even more if you read Matthew as written in 80AD.

    Len, do you expect the imminent return of JC in your lifetime?

  10. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    If you knew anything about Greek, you would know that the word ‘generation’ in the verse you quote is also able to be translated as ‘race’. That makes a world of difference.

    Despite repeated attempts, most notably in ’39-’45, the race of whom He spoke remains.

    A question: If the Apostles were led to interpret the verse you quote in the way you have interpreted it, then they must have come to believe that Christ was a liar long before the vast majority of them were executed for their ‘blessed hope’. A lot of men have been willing to die over the years for a cause they believed to be true, even though it later turned out to be false. I don’t know of any that were willing to die for an evident lie.

    Titus 2 v 13

  11. Mike Wazowski says:

    English,

    You read Greek?

  12. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Amongst other languages.

  13. Mike Wazowski says:

    English,

    Do you often confuse ‘generation’ (genea) with ‘race’? Where exactly did you read Greek?

    Can you point me to a source where ‘generation’ is a derivation of ‘race’ in Greek re: the NT. The New English, Moffatt’s and Weymouth’s translation all include “present generation”, the phrase “present race” makes no sense whatsoever in such context.

    I have Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament i.e. genea – “men living at the same time”, and Gingrich’s “all those living at a given time, contemporaries” and The Expositor’s Greek Testament open here…

    How do you read Matthew 23:35-36 and Luke 17:24-25 – generation (genea) or “race”??

  14. AuroraGB says:

    I actually didn’t think there were people this stupid in the world until I read this load of drivel. Honestly, it’s like reading bad science fiction (the L Ron Hubbard type). Believing in magic sky fairies certainly does some strange things to people. Looking at sites like this enforces my opinion that Intelligent Design is an oxymoron. Why would any intelligent being make people so stupid? Really? It makes no sense.

  15. English Viking says:

    AuroraGB,

    Your use of the words ‘sky fairies’ betrays your lack of independent thought.

  16. Stewart Cowan says:

    Bill,

    I imagine they’ll keep churning out these groups until the final solution is achieved.

  17. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Avail yourself of a Ryrie, NASB, annotated. If I lack anything in Greek, the fellows who translated that were most certainly adept. Argue with them, not me.

    Maybe another ‘big-name’ will satisfy? (I doubt it)

    Strong’s (you might have heard of him, he’s quite high up on the ladder of Greek and Hebrew translators?) second reference – G1074 – ‘that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family’.

    Else try;

    a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy.

    b) metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character.

    Any of the above could adequately be described as a race.

    I’ve answered your question, will you answer mine, concerning the willingness of men to die for something they must have known was false, should your (cribbed) interpretation be true?

    PS We can all appear clever thanks to Google, but what I believe is derived from decades of study. If I was to think that you had derived your opinions from the same, instead of a few, loud-mouthed humanist/atheist web-sites and a sad scrabble for Google-Translate, I may afford your opinions more worth. As I don’t, I don’t.

  18. Stewart Cowan says:

    At first I thought AuroraGB’s comment was spam which the filter had let through, but now I see it is probably a general attack by someone who has come here from that post on the British Centre for Science Education’s blog.

    English, you’re right – there is a sort of unwritten law, or book of approved language, used by this type of person. People seem to believe that the act of disregarding the Creator instantly makes them a “free-thinker”. They feel they are intellectually more advanced and that they don’t need to deliver facts or evidence: name-calling is enough – in fact, the only decent thing, surely, is to call us names because of our Neanderthal-like understanding of the world around us.

  19. Mike Wazowski says:

    “If I was to think that you had derived your opinions from the same, instead of a few, loud-mouthed humanist/atheist web-sites and a sad scrabble for Google-Translate, I may afford your opinions more worth.”

    I have used no such sites to determine/express my opinion on the matter. Your reading of the Greek genea is incorrect. Where exactly did you read Greek?

    The phrase “present race” makes no sense in such context, the noun (or verb) “present” being a big clue in its temporal usage.

    If the Apostles were led to interpret the verse you quote in the way you have interpreted it, then they must have come to believe that Christ was a liar long before the vast majority of them were executed for their ‘blessed hope’.

    Executed? You have a source for this assertion?

    You do realise when Gospel of Matthew was written, yes?

    “I don’t know of any that were willing to die for an evident lie.”

    Iraq, 2003. A war built on an obvious lie, yet many died, and continue to do so…

  20. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Iraq. They believed it to be true. It obviously was not. My point stands.

    I have never claimed to have ‘read’ Greek, in the scholastic sense, merely that I have more than a passing acquaintance with it. You ‘seem’ educated, where did you ‘read’ it? (Dawkins doesn’t count!)

    If you wish a ‘head-to-head’ in translation, I’m game. (You would have to promise to rely on your own wit and wisdom though, not Google’s).

    My reading of ‘genea’ is not incorrect. Ask Strong.

    Verb or noun? Make your mind up, it makes a big difference. You’re not just blagging now, are you? I will make you look small, if you are.

    Do you really believe that Paul was not a prisoner in a dirty Roman jail, then be-headed? Or that John died in exile in Patmos? Or that Peter was crucified upside-down? Or that … I could go on, but is there a point?

    Matt. 24 v 2 is evidence that the writing of this Gospel took place before AD 70, a full 10 years before you would falsely attempt to place it.

    BTW ‘present’ is not ‘present’ in the KJV, the only version you should consider if you require accuracy, which I can see you don’t. If men which could knock both me AND thee into a cocked hat with regard to translation couldn’t find your precious word, how come it’s there?

  21. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    If you had concluded what you have from a serious, INDEPENDENT study of The Bible, and other Christian literature, I really would respect your views as intellectually valid, the summit of your investigative endeavours.

    I suspect that your views are nothing of the sort; that you have not learnt to think for yourself and that you have a pre-programmed, unthinking, irrational and illogical dislike of both real religion (Christianity) and those who propound it.

  22. English Viking says:

    Jared/Mike,

    Yes, I’m like an elephant. I never forget. Mr Gaites, have you no reply, else you slumber in your ignorance?

    Why don’t you come out to play at Cranmer’s place anymore?

  23. Mike Wazowski says:

    “BTW ‘present’ is not ‘present’ in the KJV, the only version you should consider if you require accuracy, which I can see you don’t.”

    If you’re looking for accuracy, why read the KJV, it’s written in English. I thought you read Greek?

    Try the original Greek text by Ximenes (1515 AD) or the gold standard by Erasmus (1551) based on 12th Century texts, for reading of the NT.

    Do you have a source/ref for the death of the Apostles?

    (I read Greek as part of my degree in Theology in Trinity College.)

  24. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    You’re Googling again.

    I take it you didn’t get a 1st. Probably not even a 2nd.

    If you are so adept in Greek, how come you need atheist web-sites to assist you in your anti-Christian crusade? Why did you not discover these things for yourself?

    Eusebius records the martyrdom of the Apostle Bartholomew. Josephus is another source. Foxe’s Book of Martyrs is a source for the horrific death of James (the son of Alphaeus) and numerous others.

    If you were a student of Theology, how come you appear ignorant of the death of the Apostle James (the brother of John)? It appears in the book of Acts. How, also, can you think that Ximenes’ work is ‘the original Greek text’?

    I strongly suspect that you will not be satisfied with these answers. I provide the information above in the hope other readers may have genuinely enquiring minds and see the truth for themselves.

    Are you going to answer any of my questions, or just ignore them, and hope they go away?

  25. Mike Wazowski says:

    “If you are so adept in Greek, how come you need atheist web-sites to assist you in your anti-Christian crusade? Why did you not discover these things for yourself?”

    What are you blabbering on about? what “atheist web-sites”?

    As for the Apostles, I already have my sources, thanks, I was interested in what you would give… hardly convincing, nor consillent data – single sources are most unreliable as any historian will tell you.

    Ximenes produced the Complutensian Polygot, containing the first New Testament printed in the original Greek – as I mentioned above… you seem confused.

    But of course I received a first, it’s only Theology, not rocket science.

  26. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    You are confused if you think a print is original. I am aware of the accomplishments of Ximenes; he produced a COPY, 1400 odd years after the event. Trying to quote exotic sounding names and their exotic sounding works will fool some, but not me.

    What I am ‘blabbering’ about (name-calling won’t make me go away either) is my belief that you have not formed these views as a result of independent study; you have not sat and read the Bible, in your room, alone, and decided that Matt 24:34 is evidence of the unreliability of Scripture. Someone, somewhere, and I suspect it was probably on the net, has put this idea in your head, and you wish to claim it for yourself. When confronted with someone who has actually read and studied the Bible for a long period of time, with a reasonable counter-argument, you resort to deceit. You ignore Strong and Ryrie, you falsely attempt to place Matthew as being written in AD80, when all good, first-form theologians know it could not possibly have been. You think that Ximenes produced an original, you refuse to answer perfectly reasonable questions. You claim a degree from Trinity (BTW, Dublin or Cambridge?) yet display terribly sloppy thinking and use of language. If they dish out 1st’s with gay abandon nowadays, I think I’ll go and pick one up. You are not looking for the truth, you wish to appear clever and O, so intellectual.

    It’s not working.

    PS Josephus is unreliable? It’s a good job you didn’t take History.

  27. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    BTW, polygLot, not polygot (a cracker?).

  28. Mike Wazowski says:

    English,

    A simple typo, do relax.

    Dublin, and it wasn’t recently, but you’re more than welcome to come over and read theology in Trinity. What did you read in university, just out of interest?

  29. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Strange that you didn’t clarify It was the Irish version. Cantab. looks so much more impressive on one’s CV than, well, lesser organisations, don’t you think?

    I’ve never been to University.

    I’ll ask again (again), will you please answer my questions, or shall I assume that you have no answers?

  30. Mike Wazowski says:

    “I am aware of the accomplishments of Ximenes; he produced a COPY, 1400 odd years after the event.”

    Of course it’s a copy, we don’t have the originals. You misunderstood my comment above – instead of reading the KJV for context of Matt 24:34, read the original Greek.

    You do read Greek, yes?

    So when do you date Gospel of Matthew if not 80AD?

  31. Mike Wazowski says:

    “Strange that you didn’t clarify It was the Irish version. Cantab. looks so much more impressive on one’s CV than, well, lesser organisations, don’t you think?”

    English,

    If I’d studied in Cambridge I’d have said so, but I didn’t, and “Trinners” (as we called it) is just to southside Dublin slang to be understood. Not my fault you misunderstood me, again.

    And for somebody who admits to have never even been to university, you really shouldn’t be throwing stones at those who’ve attended any university, even Trinity… the “lesser” Irish version.

    (Not sure Swift, Beckett, Wilde, Edmund Burke, and our current President McAleese would agree with your sentiment.)

  32. Mike Wazowski says:

    I’ll ask again (again), will you please answer my questions, or shall I assume that you have no answers?

    Regarding what, the death of the Apostles?

  33. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    I thought you read English? See my previous post, Jan 12.

    I’ve already told you that I have more than a passing acquaintance with Greek (of the NT variety). I would not say that I was fluent, but I am more than capable of correcting your misunderstandings (or deceit, take your pick). I cannot think in Greek, I must transpose into English as I go along, so reading in Greek is no more use to me than reading the KJV, for example, where very many VERY clever men took the trouble to put it in my mother tongue. I do possess enough skill to check whether their translation is accurate though, and it is, very much so.

    It is not possible to read the original Greek, and a student of Theology should know that. I did not misunderstand your comment. It was extremely badly phrased and I highlighted this fact. Ximenes produced a polyglot version of The Bible. I believe the part with which we are concerned, the Greek version, is not even a reproduction from 1st generation copies of the original texts. It was produced from the Latin, (the Vulgate) and that itself was a translation of copied Greek manuscripts. You seem to think the KJV is inaccurate, as it is a translation from Textus Receptus, and instead recommend a work which is difficult to obtain and a translation from Greek to Latin and then back to Greek again, with over a thousand years between the two. Strange.

    I’m not sure you really know what you are talking about, and am drawn to the conclusion that you mention Ximenes and his work in an attempt to appear intellectually superior. You keep asking me whether I read Greek, when I have repeatedly answered you, whilst you apparently refuse to answer my questions. Why will you not answer?

    As a matter of interest, do you read NT Greek? Be careful.

  34. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Ahh, I knew it would come; the sanctimonious, patronising attempt at putting a person down, because he has not been to ‘yooni’. You still don’t deal with the arguments though, do you?

    I’m quite sure if you’d been to Cambridge, we would all know about it. Ad nauseum.

    I’d be quiet about fellow-alumni like Wilde, if I were you. Convicted sex-criminals are not really much to shout about.

    I’ll re-post the questions if I really have to, but can’t you just read them again?

  35. Mike Wazowski says:

    “Ahh, I knew it would come; the sanctimonious, patronising attempt at putting a person down, because he has not been to ‘yooni’.”

    Only in response to your ignorant, sarcastic jibe regarding TCD as a “lesser organisation” – by all means criticise, but expect a response. You haven’t been to university (or whatever ‘yooni’ is), for whatever reasons, they may be your own personal ones, but taking a swipe at those who have (albeit, not Cambridge) only makes you look weak and desperate.

  36. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

    If you thought they were equal, you would have made clear which one you attended, when you were tentatively trying to find out whether I had been to university, before looking down your nose, because I haven’t. You don’t really place them on a par, do you? I take a swipe, not at those who have been to a good university for a good reason, got a good education and a good qualification, then used that good qualification to obtain a good job. I swipe at those who think, nay openly state, that those who have attended ANY university whatsoever are automatically correct in all matters, regardless of their total inability to provide facts to support their ludicrous ‘arguments’, especially when opposed by ignorant an oaf, as all those who have not been to ANY university whatsoever are pre-judged to be by persons such as yourself.

    Going to university doesn’t automatically convey intelligence. Not going does not make one stupid, either. Nor is it a get of jail card for when you’ve lost the argument. I’ll admit though, we haven’t really had an argument, because you won’t answer any questions.

  37. Mike Wazowski says:

    English,

    Attending university, any university, is not about “intelligence”, it’s about commitment. That chip on your shoulder is clear for all to see, perhaps that is due to UK standards, but I don’t live in the UK.

    If I’d said “from TCD” would you have even known what it meant? I’m certainly not in the habit of mentioning Trinity College in discourse, only to append “not the one of Cambridge fame” on for those seeking to find fault where none exists. TCD and Cambridge are both well respected establishments, not “on par”, but that’s not the point – getting an education is.

    There is nothing to “argue” over regarding the deaths of the Apostles… you’re biased to their martyrdom, independent/convergent sources/refs are sparse, critical exegesis of the NT only makes your case even weaker, and you’re dogmatic in your thinking, otherwise, it’s a house of cards – if one element of scripture is incorrect, so might others, and so forth…

    “the willingness of men to die for something they must have known was false…”

    Mental illness, propaganda, cult behaviour, mythical legend, stupidity, religious acolytes, lies, tradition, convenience, myth, fable, death cult, mental illness – take your pick.

    How did Judas Iscariot die? How do you know?

    When you read Matthew 24:34 in Greek what does it say when compared to other verses containing ‘generation’ (genea)? (‘men of the same stock, a family’ is not a “race” in terms of genetics).

    btw, when do you date Gospel of Matthew if not 80AD?

  38. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Forgive the hiatus, won’t you?. It was brought about by an interruption in web access.

    I had prepared a lengthy reply, but the ‘ether’ ate it.

    I cannot be bothered to reiterate, except to say that I have already answered your question on the dating of Matthew, twice.

    Strong thinks ‘genea’ means ‘the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy’. As the genealogy of which Christ spoke, could, at the time of His speaking, be traced back through to a single man, the translation ‘race’ is more than adequate. Were the Hebrews not a race? Are you calling Strong a liar? He did go to University, after all, so he must have some worth?

    I agree that I would have had no idea what the obscure abbreviation TCD would have meant. It sounds rather like some kind of syndrome. If you think that because I have not been to university that I am ill-educated, you are sorely mistaken.

    Iscariot died from his own hand – suicide. I know this from reading the Bible. I think I can see your next move, and if I can, you’ll know that I know an answer to your next question on the matter, so don’t bother. I doubt you learnt that for yourself, either.

    Do you really think that the Apostle Paul was a mental defective? Or Peter? (a man after my own heart). Or James? Or Thaddeus? Or Bartholomew? Or, oh, what’s the point?

    We are alike in the fact that neither of us live in the UK, but differ on the assumption that the other, did.

    You talk of the Englishman’s ‘chip’. As a Southern Irish resident, at least you are well balanced; you have a chip on both shoulders.

  39. Mike Wazowski says:

    No worries, I had papers to write.

    “You talk of the Englishman’s ‘chip’. As a Southern Irish resident, at least you are well balanced; you have a chip on both shoulders.”

    Oh dear, you had to go there, didn’t you.

    “As the genealogy of which Christ spoke, could, at the time of His speaking, be traced back through to a single man, the translation ‘race’ is more than adequate.”

    No, it can’t if you are referring to who I think you are, myths, legends & fables have no place in genetics, genealogy and molecular biology. Which is why generation is appropriate, and that verse is obviously wrong, much like the rest of Biblical “prophecy”.

    “I cannot be bothered to reiterate, except to say that I have already answered your question on the dating of Matthew, twice.”

    Perhaps the ‘ether’ ate that one too, I can’t seem to find it here… old age, poor eyesight, my ‘chips’ getting in the way, who knows?

  40. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    You must need glasses, still, you do have only one eye. What about Jan 12th, 4:24 AM? Else my further reference to this point, Jan 13th, 5:46 PM?

    It was not me that first ‘went there’, dear. Disparage the ‘UK’ all you like, and their ‘standards’, I’ll more than likely agree with you. (Don’t mistake me for a fenian, though).

    Myths, fables, legends, blah, blah, blah. We are not discussing the veracity of the claims of Christianity on this matter, we are discussing whether or not;

    a) the word ‘present’, is in fact present in the original of verse Matthew 24:34,

    b) whether Strong has made a mistake in his interpretation of the word ‘genea’ as a race,

    c) whether you have the foggiest what you are talking about, for all your universal flim-flam.

    d) why you refuse to answer simple questions,

    e) why you claim automatic superiority over those who have not been to university,

    f) whether you have derived your views from independent study, or from the web/smart-a#$e lecturers/the back of a fag-packet,

    g) why you think Josephus is unreliable, or Eusebius, for that matter,

    h) why you think Paul the Apostle (amongst others) was a mental defective,

    i) why you think the Hebrews were not a race,

    j) why you think that genetics disprove the existence of the ‘Hebrews’,

    k) why I’m going to run out of letters for my sub-topics,

    Really, I could keep going, if you want me to. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

    Please.

  41. English Viking says:

    PS,

    Why have you suddenly shut up about Iscariot?

    Come on, trot it out. Your pathetic argument, I mean. The one from your favourite friend.

    No? Lost heart, have we?

    I am not like some other Christians you may have met. I will not talk of love, without justice. I will not mention forgiveness, without repentance.

    I do not want to buy ‘the world a Coke’. And I am educated. Way past what you consider university level.

  42. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    We’re waiting.

  43. English Viking says:

    Mike,

    Come on now, I’ve asked you numerous times: can you read NT Greek? I don’t mean the ability to order a shish, can you really read it?

    I’ve admitted my limitations (which on this subject are few).

    Will you admit yours?

  44. English Viking says:

    It’s over.

  45. English Viking says:

    Still nothing?

    24 hours later?

    Pwned.

  46. rob says:

    Jeez, Engish chill out, man. Maybe he’ll answer, maybe he won’t. It seems to me rather disingenuous of you to say this: “Ahh, I knew it would come; the sanctimonious, patronising attempt at putting a person down, because he has not been to ‘yooni’.” when you had already said this “I take it you didn’t get a 1st. Probably not even a 2nd.” Is it that you think it is wrong to slag someone off for not going to university but ok if they went but only got a 3rd?

  47. English Viking says:

    Rob,

    Rob,

    Getting a third is like coming 7th in the sack-race.

    Totally useless.

    Going to (a proper institution), and getting from (a proper institution) a very good education is priceless.

    Being a big-mouth, with nothing to back yourself up with but gob-shite, is not.

  48. English Viking says:

    Rob,

    Have you got the munchies?

  49. English Viking says:

    Rob,

    In what way was it disingenuous to mock those who think themselves superior because of letters after their name, regardless of which ‘university’ they gained those letters from?

    I could get all-sorts, from all-over-the-place, for a tenner.

    Stick to the facts, the arguments, the truth. Try not to be blinded by so-called ‘letters’.

  50. rob says:

    Munchies now satisfied, thanks. I am still waiting to hear any facts and arguments because this has gone off at a tangent. I don’t read a word of Greek and I would dearly love to hear why I should pay any attention to the bible. What are the arguments for and against the traditional authorship and dating of the gospels? English, you should be able to give me both sides of the argument and if Mike comes back, even better. My understanding is that there is significant doubt amongst scholars that any of the gosples were actually written during the possible lifetimes of any of the disciples. All I can do as a non-specialist is look at the arguments and make a judgement on which is the most likely. BTW I know I have no right to ask etc etc but if you have the time and inclination to indulge me I would be grateful. Ta.

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