Who are the ‘Bigots’ in the ‘Gay Marriage’ Debate?

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This has to be one of the saddest sights in the world, indicating a union of two people of the same sex who are settling for a fake life together, denying themselves the joy of true marriage, children and grandchildren.

Just to prove that the SNP are as keen to follow the same agendas as the Lib/Lab/Con Party on support for the European Union and love of social re-engineering, talk of “gay marriage” is in the air north of the Border. And just like in those other parties, people who express an opinion contrary to these agendas are portrayed as being fruit loops. People like me who argue (reasonably) calmly and logically are the “nutters” while those who try to shout down people with opposing views by calling them names and demanding they shut up and apologise, are standing proudly atop the moral high ground.

Yes, all the usual names have been trotted out for people like Dunfermline MSP, Bill Walker, who signed fellow SNP MSP John Mason’s motion against marriage being redefined in Scotland. And those names are the same ones I have been called: “bigot”, “homophobic” and accusations of living “in the Dark Ages”.

Sodom and Gomorrah were millennia before the Dark Ages, so just who is living in the past here?

Subrosa writes,

Divisions within the SNP have called Mr Mason’s objection ‘a nasty little anti-gay marriage motion’ – and that comment was from my own MP Pete Wishart.

She is concerned that should gay “marriage” become legal in Scotland, Mr Mason’s motion may be needed to protect clergy who do not want to perform ceremonies for same-sex unions. She writes,

What right has anyone, unless they are members of a particular church, to demand a minister or any other religious person, carry out a service?  None. If they’re not a paid up member then they can’t complain.

This isn’t just about redefining marriage and therefore society as a whole, but making churches conform and denying all people the right to act on their conscience.

When Labour were in national government, they engaged in a campaign of degeneration of society while condemning anyone who held traditional views, i.e. often the majority. It is therefore not surprising that Labour MP Thomas Docherty wrote a letter to Alex Salmond about Bill Walker’s comments and said to the First Minister,

break your silence on the despicable and disgusting comments.

Mr Docherty then claimed that Mr Salmond had gone mental when they discussed the issue at the opening of a new school. But it seems to have backfired on the intolerant Labour MP,

Councillor Douglas Chapman (SNP), chair of Fife education committee, said,

Any suggestion that Mr Salmond lost his temper is absolutely incorrect.

I was in the room along with guests and senior council officers and nothing untoward happened, other than Mr Docherty’s approach was totally inappropriate given that the focus of the visit was making children feel really proud of their new school.

In fact, most people in the room were unaware of any supposed incident and Mr Docherty and his press office are guilty of pure fiction. If anything, it was Mr Docherty’s inappropriate approach to Mr Salmond that was aggressive and the First Minister’s response was a model of restraint.

Mr Docherty’s childish behaviour was questionable in raising a political issue at the opening of a new school, which was a day for the proud pupils, parents and teachers.

Mr Docherty then left – presumably to prepare his fantasy press release – and didn’t even have the good grace to stay to share the day with the children.

These actions will be seen by many of his constituents as being not only juvenile and inappropriate but wholly crass and opportunistic.

There seems to be a feeling among the general population that “gay marriage” won’t affect them at all. I disagree, because there are sound reasons why homosexual activity has been a taboo throughout the world, as it is detrimental to the tribe as a whole.

And when homosexuality becomes accepted, that society naturally suffers the decline that comes with hedonism. As I wrote on Leg-iron’s coverage of the subject,

The sort of society children grow up in will define that society when they are in charge (or think and act like they are in charge).

The resulting sexual ‘revolution’ (of all sorts) has caused all manner of social breakdown in the West.

Naturally, this affects us all.

And it does in so many ways. Changes in society’s norms have seen the need for many more houses, which has resulted in a shortage and house prices and rents going through the roof. It is not just financially that social re-engineering is costing everyone, but through intolerance and rudeness, fear and crime and the attitude of the police.

A marriage is between man and woman. God declared it. The human anatomy confirms it. Healthy societies need healthy relationships for them to flourish.

This is not me being a “bigoted Nazi homophobe,” but a realist. If marriage is redefined, it will weaken society even further. We will all pay for it even more.

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98 Responses to Who are the ‘Bigots’ in the ‘Gay Marriage’ Debate?

  1. Ian says:

    EV, maybe more qualities than values, but either way their preferable to Stewart’s brand of humourless ignorance.

  2. Well, I think we’ll all just have to agree to disagree. Genuine social conservatives won’t compromise the truth, and secular-humanists are lost in their defiant rebellion against and wilful denial of true and absolute moral standards and the consequences of their transgression.

    Stewart Cowan can continue to blog insightfully on the destruction of British society and Ian Pattinson can carry on with his bottom-licking advocacy etc.

  3. bjedwards says:

    You don’t think period, Stewart. You just believe every myth you are told.

  4. Thinker says:

    i have read the blog and have come to one conclusion,you know
    God was right, when He created man and woman and said be fruitful and multiply.
    I wondered if I put two gay men or two gay women on a desert Island and supplied them with clothing, food and shelter for 5 years, then revisited the Island, I wonder how many offspring they would have, during this time?
    Does this not give a clue that God created the family unit, with male and female, ie husband and wife

  5. bjedwards says:

    Appeals to religion don’t work, Thinker.

  6. Thinker says:

    i do not advocate religion, but a way of life as it was intended

  7. Thinker says:

    the Bible is not a religious book, but is rather God’s Word to us, it also shows us the depravity of man, and how God provided the only solution to man’s depravity, and also shows us how to live the way He intended.
    religion is man’s way to reach God, and Christ is God’s way to reach man, the gospel of John outlines the life of Christ and how He dealt with people.

  8. bjedwards says:

    Appeals to a “God” don’t work either, Thinker.

    At last count, there are over 2,300 “gods” people appeal to.

  9. Thinker says:

    2,300 gods are the ones that people made up, if you notice they are wood, stone,and metal,so none of them can hear, see,
    talk, or give instruction how to live, and none of them can give any answers.
    I dont know of a man made god that can write a book.
    but i suggest you have a look at the 1904 revival in Wales and see what the real God did do,also the 1949 revival in Scotland
    and read what happened there. these are online so you do not need to purchase books about them

  10. bjedwards says:

    There is no “god” who wrote a book, Thinker.

    DO get real.

  11. Thinker says:

    i never said that god wrote a book

  12. bjedwards says:

    The Bible was written by humans. And all gods are man-made, Thinker. So your statement, I dont know of a man made god that can write a book” is disingenuous.

  13. bjedwards says:

    Stewart et al don’t like be called on the carpet for making claims they cannot support.

  14. English Viking says:

    bj,

    I’m ‘et al’ (learn that on the ‘net, did you? I doubt you had to withstand the rigours of ‘Prep’).

    Call me to appear on the carpet. I’ve seen a lot of blood on carpets.

    I’m game.

    BTW Is it ‘Basically Juvenile’?

  15. English Viking says:

    Thinker,

    I’ve not seen you before, but you seem a ‘right’ sort.

    How do you do, Sir?

  16. Thinker says:

    doing well English viking, have just joined the forum, and found some of the topics interesting

  17. Thinker says:

    men were inspired of God to write the Bible,and the creator God
    is not man made. there is more proof to show God is real, as I said, the revivals 1904 and 1949, you should read about them.
    in these revivals people turned form stealing, lying, also men and women who were not married and living together, got married
    and lived properly,as these types of conduct were seen as sin in Gods eyes and so is homosexuality seen as a sin
    But not only that i have heard it said the the Bible is full of contradictions, no one has shown them to me, and that man makes mistakes, so you being a man can make mistakes as well
    the only difference between you and myself is that i provided you with references to check out, you have not provided me with any references to check that you could be correct

  18. Thinker says:

    forgot to say the ancient roman empire collapsed, and one of the prevalent sins was sodomy, in Greece the same thing was practiced and the Greek empire collapsed. throughout history
    if you look, you will see that before a nation destroys itself
    sodomy and immorality are prevalent. check it for yourself and see if what i say is true or false.
    type into your web browser male temple prostitutes

  19. bjedwards says:

    There is no “proof” that a “God” exists. Neither is there a stitch of evidence. It is simply a belief. You are entitled to your own beliefs but not to your own facts.

    The sooner you admit that the sooner you will understand why you and people like Stewart don’t get to impose your religious beliefs on the rest of us.

    But that means you will have to learn what it means to be intellectually honest.

  20. isitfoggy says:

    Thinker, I don’t think “male temple prostitutes” is good thing to search for at work…

    If google searches are the only way to substantiate you claims then you have no credibility, it’s on par with Stewart directing us towards the Daily Mail.

    It’s only a sin if you think it’s one. According to the numbers presented by Ian and Richard, 1-10% of people would say that it’s not.

    Are you also saying that Greece’s current collapse is due partly to sodomy?

  21. Thinker says:

    isitfoggy then try history books, and i dont advocate doing such a thing on working time.
    what i have been directing you to is proof that being gay is not what the Creator of the universe intended for the human race. try doing some research to see if i am right or not, i am not going by what people say but by events in history, something you seem to have missed in the blog

  22. Thinker says:

    bjedwards i have not tried to impose my belief on you, but simply tried to show you reality, should you not believe there is a God does not prove He does not exist. Egyptian history should tell you that He does exist as proof has been found that Joseph of the old testament did exist, carvings have been found showing the 7 lean cattle and 7 fat cattle as recorded in the old testament.
    Gideon prayed and the whole universe stopped until he won the battle he was fighting, and scientist have found that there is approx a day missing from universal time.
    and there is much proof in the middle east to substantiate the Bible. you are completely free to believe what you want no one is forcing you to believe what i believe.
    but please remember when your life is over you will not be 2 seconds in hell until you change your mind

  23. bjedwards says:

    Thinker,

    You are not thinking rationally. Relying on the fallacious reasoning that one cannot prove God does not exist does not give one reason to postulate such a god may exist. Neither do reliance on carvings, writings, or myths. You’ve heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I trust.

    But reason is not possible in your life. You believe what you do on faith and in rejection of reason. And when you die, you won’t be able to know that you that your life was based on myths.

  24. Thinker says:

    thats only your opinion bjedwards and i can only think who are you trying to convince yourself or me.
    you believe that napoleon existed? that is recorded in a book
    so it means that there were witnesses.
    so the Bible has recorded about God and ancient writings record
    that there is a God, and so there were witnesses to write these things.
    and people will not believe because it does not fit in with their thinking, even though evidence is abundant for the existence of God and the way He encourages man to live.
    any theory outside of this invented by man means that man thinks his destiny is in his own hands. just look at the mess this world is in, and man is in charge of it.
    then look at the revivals in history and you will see pubs closed, gambling stopped, in the shipyard in Belfast a large warehouse had to be built because workers brought back stolen property, i could go on with countless actions that happened throughout the world but you have made your mind up and i am not going to try to change it.

  25. bjedwards says:

    The facts support me, Thinker. It’s too bad you are incapable of being rational.

  26. Stewart Cowan says:

    Ian,

    I haven’t started following @DenialWatch.

    Those ‘values’ you mention have been largely lost and it isn’t down to me. I didn’t invent political correctness or mass immigration to re-engineer society or laws which favour criminals over their victims.

  27. Stewart Cowan says:

    Thanks, Kat,

    Yes, I assumed that is what you meant and I totally agree with you. The true “homophobe” encourages people to stick with their SSA. The ones who teach children that SSA is ‘normal’ are particular homophobes – and child-abusers.

  28. Stewart Cowan says:

    Richard wrote:

    Well, I think we’ll all just have to agree to disagree. Genuine social conservatives won’t compromise the truth, and secular-humanists are lost in their defiant rebellion against and wilful denial of true and absolute moral standards and the consequences of their transgression.

    Stewart Cowan can continue to blog insightfully on the destruction of British society and Ian Pattinson can carry on with his bottom-licking advocacy etc.

    Maybe I *should* enable people to vote for comments…

  29. Stewart Cowan says:

    isitfoggy,

    Thinker, I don’t think “male temple prostitutes” is good thing to search for at work…

    LOL!

    If google searches are the only way to substantiate you claims then you have no credibility, it’s on par with Stewart directing us towards the Daily Mail.

    No, it’s better than the Daily Wail.

    It’s only a sin if you think it’s one. According to the numbers presented by Ian and Richard, 1-10% of people would say that it’s not.

    This is a major problem – moral relativism. There have to be absolutes of right and wrong – and everyone has to play by the same rules or society breaks down. Why should it be a surprise, then, when societies live by God’s laws they prosper and when they don’t they collapse?

    Imagine a football match where both teams play by different rules. There would be arguments and punch ups – the game would break down completely. The same thing is happening with society due to confusion over right and wrong.

    And where do you think our laws come from in the first place? Thou shalt not kill, etc. are meaningless in a Godless world. If the Theory of Evolution is true then why wouldn’t you want to support someone like Hitler, who wanted to speed it up and create a Master Race? Survival of the fittest. Natural selection. Perfectly fine if it was a Godless universe?

    The 10% is Kinsey’s fraudulent figure and people really should stop using it if they want to be taken seriously (not you; I know you’re only quoting what someone else wrote). The 1% is the latest ONS study, which is possibly flawed as well, but probably not nearly as much.

    Are you also saying that Greece’s current collapse is due partly to sodomy?

    Interesting point. The whole of the western world is in economic chaos, owing more than it can pay back. The West has seen its Judeo-Christian belief system systematically dismantled and now we are reaping the punishment and will continue to do so until or unless we reverse what has been going on.

    But obviously, it isn’t all down to just sodomy. There is the greed, abortion, worship of celebrities as if they were gods and so on.

  30. Stewart Cowan says:

    Thinker,

    I understand that male prostitutes are regular visitors to the White House.

    I’m not sure about the validity of the day missing from universal time. I think this may have been a hoax. Not that it matters when everything points to there being a Creator God.

  31. bjedwards says:

    Stewart wonders why the the real world laughs at him. Here’s a summary on how his conspiratorial mind works:

    “What I Learned from 9-11 Conspiracy Theories.”

    http://www.sawyerhome.net/whatilearned.html

  32. Ian says:

    Oh look, Stewart’s invoked Hitler. I guess it was only a matter of time.

  33. isitfoggy says:

    Stewart, the theory of evolution holds true with Hitler. Thankfully he did not survive and his genetic sequence was not carried forward. A classic evolution fail – he wasn’t better than the rest.

    Thou shalt not kill is perfectly acceptable in a godless world. I don’t need a god to have morals and standards.

    “Imagine a football match where both teams play by different rules. There would be arguments and punch ups” sounds like a normal football match to me.

    Worship of celebrities is something we can agree on. It is utterly ridiculous and to quote something I read about the riots “If you’re going burn a house then please make it the Big Brother house.”

    I guess if you’re trying to call me a Nazi then you must be racist. Isn’t that how the internet works? (This last bit is to keep Ian happy.)

  34. Thinker says:

    looks like the whole world is having a punch up, it seems that many rule books have been written for different things, so how do you tell that people are right?
    Obviously there is only one book that is right, but most people do not want to even think it is right, because it conflicts with their ideas, and people like to have their say even when they are wrong, so look at the mess the world is in,
    and it has degenerated into a cess pit, gay marriage is one of the points, read my earlier post about it. Again I say male and female, not male and male, or female and female, if this had been the case how would children be born to same sex couples, I think nature refutes this no matter who says different and I know the Bible says male and female, whether you want to believe the Bible or not, the proof is out there.

  35. Guess Who? says:

    The British law is based on the Ten Commandments which God gave to Moses in Exodus 20.
    Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed by God because of their immorality, gay practice and sin in general.
    Please read Romans 1 vs. 18-32 when God condemns all sin, including gay practice.
    When a court session is being held, the person has to swear on THE BIBLE that he/she will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. In John 14 v6. Jesus said, “I am the truth.”
    As regards the issue of “Does God exist?” Laws of science state, beyond all doubt that a design demands a designer, a cause demands an effect. So, speaking logically and scientifically it is ludicrous to state that God does not exist. You may not want Him to exist, but it doesn’t alter the fact that He does. To do so contradicts the LAWS of science which are unquestionable.

  36. English Viking says:

    Guess Who?

    Hear hear, Sir (or Madam).

  37. Isitfoggy says:

    The laws of science are not unquestionable.

  38. Ian says:

    The whole point of science is to keep questioning, so we can better understand how things work.

  39. Disco Dave says:

    Ian

    Science. Falsely so called.

    1 Tim 6 v 20.

  40. Disco Dave says:

    The above is so obviously me, the Viking.

    Disco Dave is gay, I know not whence this fellow hails from.

  41. Ian says:

    Disco Viking

    I haven’t a clue what you’re going on about. Are some of your other personalities coming out? (In more ways than one, it would seem.)

  42. Ian says:

    Turn away from knowledge? Yes, that seems to sum up religion in a nutshell.

  43. English Viking says:

    Ian,

    It comes from using someone else’s computer, not from being a fraud.

    Check myriad previous posts; you’ll find no Disco Dave in the comments.

    I never sock-puppet.

  44. Ian says:

    Not accusing you of anything Disco, just making fun. It’s telling that you admit your accidental alter ego is gay.

  45. English Viking says:

    Ian,

    He’s someone else’s alter-ego, and he’s obviously gay with a name like that.

  46. SNP allows English to join gay marriage consultation … go to http://www.christian.org.uk/marriagescotland/ to vote your opinion, though consultation closes tomorrow 9th December!

  47. Chris says:

    “Turn away from knowledge? Yes, that seems to sum up religion in a nutshell.”

    I didn’t think religion turns away from the truth but is the truth!

    ..Religion doesn’t seek the end of science, in fact with God nothing is impossible. Though, the Bible seems to seek out that we respect each other and not to commit sin, that doesn’t sound such a bad life to me. Sin will end up destroying our race and our lives, so why not just realise the future is brighter with God. I love science and religion, the people who fear faith, fear death and don’t like to think about the idea of going to hell or being controlled either. though who does?

  48. john hall says:

    destroy the family and you destroy all sense of what is right or wrong. this is what our true masters want. to divide and conquer us without a fight. gay marriage, abortion, 20 woogies eating out of one can of beans. billionairs, trillionairs, organized religion, and national governments are all wrong.

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